Thread:Mesektet/@comment-27729149-20160128170019/@comment-3581997-20160504060550

For Barabra, Joker kidnapped Tim Drake (Robin # 3), even went as far as to give him electroshock directly to his brain while doping him up on Joker gas, to "adopt" him as a new Joker while sticking it to Batman at the same time, Batman was hurt by it big time but ultimately would not compromise his morals with how to treat criminals, Barabra on the other-hand did change, she quit as being Batgirl and enrolled in the police accademy, her logic being that Batman was too much of a softy but still the most compotent thing to law enforcement Gotham had, and that needed to change. So she resolves to stop the costumed hero bussiness, become a cop, set an example for what good cops should be, but be 110% willing to shoot any son of a bitch like Joker dead if she ever ran into any on the beat, and she does.

Wysley's was orginally a timid researcher, the cliche's wimpy/snooty Brit bookworm. First major character evolution comes when he heres that the Big Good, Angel will kill his son one day, it turns out the prophecy was false, set up by a time traveling demon, but it lead to Wysley kidnapping the big good's baby son before anything could happen to him. Angel takes it less than well, renounces Wysley as a friend and is ready to kill him for a few months if he ever finds him. Eventually they patch things up but Wylsey has changed, less trusting, sleeping with one of the big bads, and generally angst ridden, think Prince Zuko level angst.

But that is not all, it gets much much worse, see after two seasons the girl, Fred, short for Wenefred, Burkle finally clues into the fact that Wysle has been interested in her for years, with the break up with her previous boyfriend, Gunn, The Big Guy, of the team, and ultimatly not being interested in her new co-worker Fred hooks up with Wysley. One day Fred gets sick, she gets a mysterous package in the mail that opens a weird hatch it it with some sort of airborn pathogeon in it. They search for who sent it, what it is, and how to cure it, without droning on too much or giving away too much, they cant cure it. Fred's organ are being liquidated. Her body is being hollowed out to become the permanent host to an ancient demon called Illyria. Look her up on Villains if you want all the details. Wylsey spend Fred's last moments alive reading her favorit childhood books to her as her organs, including her brain, cooks inside her and she begins losing more and more of her lucid thoughts just trying to hold on. She ultimately dies in his arms, then her corpse hardens mutates and reanimates as a prehistoric demon. Wysley is from this point onward ready to kill nearly everyone and anything that could potentially harm him or his few remaininng friends, he becomes willing to torture villains, lie to his friends and throw away his own life at the drop of a hat if anything threatens to take away anything else he loves. He finds the person who sets all this up and while Angel gives a big speech about how they are better than that, Wysley kills him in cold blooded vengence, ultimatly no one cares, he had it coming.

But Wysley comes a long way through the jorney, he starts off as Butter, becomes Prince Zuko and then devolves futher to The Punisher.