Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-38785722-20190726055111/@comment-4708882-20190726122324

Drew, we've been over this a lot, Bullies/Jerks aren't good (well some jerks can be heroes) but that doesn't equal being a villain until they cross sever lines beyond traditional bullying which characters like Helga do not. Helga for example stays in traditional bullying especially of little kids of the time, Chris Hargensen kills some animals (pigs) and then later after an extremely cruel prank attempts to kill Carrie, Cardin Winchester counts because despite being a teenager he beats up others, is racist (these alone wouldn't be enough generally), blackmails Jaune with info which could get him in legal trouble and then tries to get one character attacked by a mysterious type of insects implied to be actually dangerous with little care it could attract Grimm which pushed him into villain territory. Unless the bully who uses physical assault that is sever and/or life they don't count, adults often can be an exception as more of them threaten worse and commit more legitimate crimes when doing so. Now a random fight or bar fight isn't enough unless someone is basically broken or killed as it's seen as more simply as a settled disputes "with little done". I hate bullies but there are firm lines from normal ones or just antagonistic and villainy.