Thread:Mesektet/@comment-3581997-20160615160106/@comment-24469175-20160825190628

the term complete monster is very heavily a cynical trope, to have someone who wont change no matter what you do(unless you brainwash or possess like saber tooth, but that doesn't really change their status) is definitely a massive downer, but what makes it even more unfortunate is that, as stated before, just because a villain isn't a monster doesn't mean they redeemable, even if a villain is sympathetic or has a redeeming quality and wants to change, doesn't automatically they can, that's why tropes like Moral event horizon and this is unforgivable exist.

I really don't like it when they think they can just redeem a villain because they have a few redeeming qualities, because their actions are far too horrific, this is why I despise loghain Mac tir and Dagur the deranged so much. I hope the same doesn't happen to kylo ren

And while I understand that darkness induced apathy is subjective, sometimes it's because the hero refuses to kill that causes the apathy, in injustice I didn't like how they just locked up regime superman and numerous other regime units after they killed so many people, sure they aren't as monsterous as joker, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve it, the fact that they refused to kill the villains is what caused apathy.