Talk:Light Yagami

Light yagami is a villain Oh, I believe that he is the Knight Templar, of sorts.Camilopezo

TBH Light doesn't belong on this wiki. He's done WAY much more evil than good. I watched the whole series back in July. I think AlexHoskins is a little delusional. And starting to abuse his power a little bit. Hbk2226 (talk) 22:17, March 17, 2015 (UTC)hbk2226

I'm very sorry, it just that I didn't know. I didn't watched the series.--AlexHoskins (talk) 14:24, March 18, 2015 (UTC) talk

This guy was an anti-hero/anti-villain until he "jumped off the slippery slope."AlexHoskins (talk) 15:36, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Light Yagami is a complete monster, I think.

Take him out from the lethal heroes category. He is a serial killer and a sadist.

783667 (talk) 21:03, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Light Yagami isnt a villian,he is a tragic hero. ~Curious55

Actually he is a legitamite villain, and he isn't tragic in the slightest, he's just very delusional, I only see him as an extremely crappy antihero, since he does nothing but kill people he doesn't likeKevin125 (talk) 05:36, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Yes and no. Light counts as a vllain because he was commiting atrocious murders. 783667 (talk) 21:02, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

Well he bought peace to the world,he did more for the world that L,Mello,Near could never do,he stopped wars,silenced violent criminals & reduced global crime rates by over 70%,he is more of an anti-hero than a villian & he is also a tragic hero cuz he cares abt a world & even tried to save it,he means well..he is just misunderstood he aint a good example of a villian. Curious55 (talk) 09:41, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Oh sure because killing cops and people that you don't like even if they are family members is totally a heroic thing to do, (sighs) like alexhoskins said he was an antihero until he jumped of the slippery slope and went full blown delusional.Kevin125 (talk) 14:48, November 25, 2015 (UTC) If he's a hero, he's a cultured hero.

About killing those fbi agents it was a do or die situation if he didnt kill them them they would have caught him eventually & he would have gotten executed himself thus resulting in his death.He is more or less an anti-hero and how did he became delusional?

Curious55 (talk) 13:25, January 6, 2016 (UTC)Curious55

He's not really tragic he didn't have an excuse for why he killed. At first he does want to make the world better but in a rather short time he just wanted to basically rule the world and be seen as a God. He killed a what he thought was L (criminal set up to look like one) for questioning his actions only for the real L to point out it was a criminal they had pretend to be him, the cops weren't all that close and eventually after so many killings the worlds governments had everyone stop looking for him, when Teru Mikami says as Kira that those who weren't healthy would be also targeted Light just says from what I remember something like "No it's too soon for that" to himself, he did reduce crime rate and everything because just about any crime at that point was punishable by death and he was trying to scare the world into practically bowing down to him and making his ideal world. I'd say he might be good only before killing what he first thought was L on TV and when he remembered nothing but even when he didn't remember it was only cleaning up his own mess. He goes way beyond a Anti-Villain early on and eventually becomes just a Villain Protagonist who thinks he can do absolutely no wrong. He is a case of Draco in Leather Pants both in and out of the series. If he stayed to only criminal and maybe corrupt characters I'd argue the other way but with killing people he just doesn't like he goes down a very slippery slope. Honestly I don't believe he should stay but I'll let the majority decide. Jester of chaos (talk) 14:15, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

he should go complete monsters don't belong here and his anime counter part also does to much evil things

Actually he is one of the most tragic characters in the whole series,all he wanted to do was good and make the world a happier place but there were some stupid people such as L,near and the rest of the task force who were unable to see the bigger picture.He didnt want to rule the world and be seen as a god,he had already transformed into a godlike figure in the beginning of the series or demigod i should say,in the beginning episodes people had opened up sites on the internet cheering of kira,the people in death note were hypocrites most of them acted from the outside that kira was wrong but from the inside they were cheering for him,light already told ryuk about this by the classroom example.If u have noticed,"Even if it means sacrificing my own mind & soul its worth it,the world cannot go on like this".Ryuk himself told Light in the beginning episode that a human who has used the death note can neither go to heaven or hell for the eternity.Light knew that at some point of time he was going to die & he had missed his chance of going to heaven.If a person is willing to sacrifice his own mind & soul,I don't see a reason why he wont sacrifice a few lives for the greater good.Light took a few lives to save millions of other innocent lives,that's what a true hero/anti-hero does.And Mikami didnt say that kira would target unhealthy people,he said he would target people,Light never approved of this,he himself said that "Mikami u r overdoing it" and was going to contact him as soon as he would have gotten the opportunity.And in the manga he also says that Kira is not supposed to target the criminals who have reformed,it will potray kira as a symbol of hatred and fear,He wanted kira to stand as a symbol of justice.And after Lights death the world practically gets assfucked,there is a scene in the manga where millions of kira worshippers go up and mountain and pray for kiras return, at first it struck odd to me that so many people were worshipping kira even after his death but then i realized that these ppl were meant to symbolize us,they werent criminals,police or the powerful people who could defend themselves,these were the weak,helpless and the powerless people whom light was saving from the criminals,he never killed them cuz if he started killing them then they would have started fearing him and hating him as well.After kiras death the world descends into chaos,it was shown in the final chapter of the manga,criminals start killing again,crime rates skyrocket and a new kira appears but the only difference is that he starts killing innocent people on the television instead of criminals so light was right in a way about him being the only one who can create a new world.If light wanted he could have used the notebook for his own selfish gain such as money,power,sex,fame but he did nothing like that he used the notebook in the most selfless way possible. ~  Curious55

he is a drago in lather pants that is a complete monst in the manga and he does to much evil stuff to even be on this wiki Grand Master Mario

light is a complete monster and is to evil to be on this site Grand Master Mario

Yes Light started with the intention to make perfect world but later he goes down a slippery slope early as he tries to kill a man he believes is a News report all because that man said Kira must be stopped. When revealed that person was a criminal Light seemed shocked as they had been able outsmart him and could tell he was in a basic area instead of anywhere within Japan. For a while I actually was debating if I should route for him as he had a couple moments I felt he held a point like saving a woman from some thugs. Then I recall him killing some officers who were merely doing their job by having one (Raye Penber) unknowingly writing down all those with him on pages from Death Note thus robing an innocent man of the afterlife (the manga apparently says it doesn't exist). Then afterwards when Naomi Misora whom used to be an FBI agent who wants to help find Kira for killing her fiancée, Raye Penber, and once he knows she will die due to writing her name in his Death Note points out he was Kira (If I recall right with a smirk). Now when he loses his memory Light was genuinely helping others but once he regains memory he goes right back to his plan of becoming God of the world. When Teru Mikami claims the intention to kill unhealthy people he basically says "Damn it's too early for that" I could be wrong as I can't find that episode yet. People start to fear everything about Kira as people constantly threatened to put the name on the internet. One man's God is another's Devil. What some see as evil some might see as good. Some of Kira's followers might fear that Kira still exists in some form or another person might gain his power while others truly think he is a bringer of justice. He obviously used fear and intimidation to lessen crime but also make everyone do as he wished. He constantly mentioned he'd be God of a new world of his making and as he puts it: "If we catch Kira, he is evil. If he rules the world, he is justice.". Yes crime went back up but that's doomed to happen when people realize they won't automatically be killed and most were shown to be in fear of any moment dying for anything Kira might find wrong. I honestly feel he throws out actual good intentions and doesn't belong on this site. I would of preferred had they kept more with only killing dangerous criminals but once he killed innocents I felt he just became another killer with a god-complex and a desire to rule the world. Oh for the Grand Master Mario, while I agree he isn't for here keep in mind Complete Monster is subjective as not all agree with all the characters listed including Light. -- Jester of chaos (talk) 14:42, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Light didnt only start with the intention of starting to make the world a better place but stayed true towards his goal till the end.Its evident when he gives his final speech as Kira in the last episode when his identity gets revealed,he states his true intentions by describing how the world is decaying day by day due to crime & corruption & how he realized that somebody had to do something,he also states that criminals had stopped killed,wars had stopped & global crime rates had reduced by over 70%.As i said before he bought peace to the world and ironically L,Mello & Near ended up killing the only person who was capable of bringing a change in the world.Sure L is a brilliant guy with a genius level intellect but he is apathetic and lacks what it takes to change the world.I have noticed that characters like Lelouch vi britannia,Dexter Morgan & Trevor philips are also included in this wiki.If Lelouch belongs to this wiki then Light should as well.It would right to say that Dexter morgan is an anti-hero even though he is borderline sociopathic.But Trevor philips? seriously? the guy is psychotic & a complete nutjob,he doesnt shows any heroic traits,he is too crazy and violent to be a hero.And about the killing the guy in television broadcast that was an impulsive mistake but atleast he was a criminal,if believe Dexter on the other hand killed a few innocent people as well such as Jonathan farrow from season 4 who wasnt a criminal or a serial killer,he was just falsely accused,he also ended up killing a man in the mans toilet while having a violent outburst after Ritas death,he also killed a pedophile who was taking photos of astor but the guy hadnt actually done anything harmful yet,i dont believe that he deserved death actually.And what about Lelouch? the guy butchered millions of innocent people in cold blood while laughing in a psychotic manner,if i remember he killed far more innocent people than Light did.And as for Trevor philips i dont believe i need to say anything.And i dont think that Light robbed Raye penber from afterlife by making him writing in the note cuz i think we need to have ownership of the death note but its still debatable.And about killing those FBI agents thing,it was a kill or be killed situation.If he didnt kill them,one of them might end up catching him and he wouldnt have been executed instead so all his hardwork would have gone to waste.And about Naomi Misora,she was going to figure out Light was Kira and report it back to the police station or probably try to kill him for killing her fiancee.Light would have ended up getting executed instead,i remember him saying it in the anime that "I have got no choice but to finish her off".His plan wasnt just to become the god of the new world but to change the world as well & make it a better place.The guy had empathy,at the beginning of the first episode he was walking down the streets,brooding over the deaths of people he didnt even knew,i am talking about the people who were being murdered by the criminals.He look profoundly depressed and unhappy that time so it is wrong to say that his only goal was to become a God,as i said before he was already a God in eyes of other people,his vision was starting to become true,many people in the world had started seeing him as a God of justice passing judgements or some messanger of hell.It was shown in the second episode i think where people had started opening sites in the name of Kira.I dont exactly remember him saying that in the anime but in the manga when Mikami says that he is going to kill non-criminals and lazy people Light was shocked and said something like "Kira should stand as a symbol of justice who punishes criminals not & he is not suppose to kill the criminals who have reformed otherwise Kira would be showing an unforgiving heart to crime.Not all the people feared Kira,only the criminals and those who had done something wrong feared Kira,the non criminals and the innocent people loved Kira & believed in him,as i said before they were praying for Kiras return even after his death.Light said it at the beginning of the anime that those who had done something wrong were on the run while the people with a clear conscience cheered for Kira in their hearts & none of the Kira followers feared Kira.Yes he did use intimidation to reduce the crime but there were no other ways to do it.You cannot change the world without getting ur hands dirty.I honestly feel that he belongs in the category of anti-hero & tragic hero.And no he wasnt a killer with a god complex who wanted to rule the world.He was a vigilante who tried to serve justice to the people who were unable to defend themselves against the criminals and died a martyr.If he wanted to rule the world then why target only criminals? he could have just killed the leaders of the world like president and  the prime minister and ruled the world from the shadows instead of being driven to serve justice by killing criminals.And yes the complete monster thing is definitely subjective. (Curious55 (talk) 04:06, June 4, 2016 (UTC))

light is evil and it's a fact and him being treated like a draco in leather pants is annoying Grand Master Mario

He makes it clear he wants to be God of the world often and goes from just trying to make the world better early on by being sadistic and toying with the world hell most the public may not of noticed got a while if only criminals died or thought it was good but he would of most likely lost faster if he simply killed the world leaders. The series tries to play him as heroic for only a short time and moeally grey for a bit longer. Good intentions at first but it becomes clear early on he won't listen to criticism from public by killing the fake L. Some loves him but shown that most normal people feared him we see people threaten to put people's names and pictures online to be killed if they kept making them mad. Light doesn't seem upset at the notion of people being killed for not being healthy or the most productive but more pissed as it seems like rushing the takeover and fears people might not worship Kira if it happens too fast. Yes L was was more after it for a challenge but no one was claiming he was a great hero just not a villain unlike Light whom killed criminals cops, thought of killing his sister if it would further his goals when she's captured by Mellow, he emphasized "New World" at first and later changed it from that to "God" rather quickly. Apparently maybe the Live-Action version might be arguable (haven't seen it but apparently more heroic from whst I've heard) but manga and anime not so much it's a man who believes he's good but it's delusion and some mistakenly believing him as a symbol of Justice. Yeah saying the world was full of evil he was right but he turned into a hypocrite and used his power to "cleanse" the world for his rule aka kill for support them take over and he's far from tragic he got what he had coming to him for all he did and suffers no tragedy in either anime or manga. Never seen the show Lelouch though from what little I've heard he's not as bad as Light and a bit heroic while also plays a villainous role later on, Dexter actually stays for most the show killing Killers and is a villain protagonist overall though an Anti-Villain and Anti-Hero sometimes from what I've seen and heard. Trevor honestly haven't play Grand Theft Auto or what ever game he's from but of what I heard he doesn't sound like he belongs here either. In all honesty I don't think either will really convince each other and I can respect the disagreement (like I said live action TV Version might count I don't know) but I am firmly against either the anime or manga version counting as heroic besides mate an episode or two before jumping off the deep end. Jester of chaos (talk) 08:28, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Did u even read my comment? First of all evil is subjective & secondly thinking that ur subjective opinion is a fact is not only annoying but stupid & narrow minded as well & lastly put ur name before posting a comment. (Curious55 (talk) 08:30, June 4, 2016 (UTC))

Did u even read my comment? First of all evil is subjective & secondly thinking that ur subjective opinion is a fact is not only annoying but stupid & narrow minded as well.. (Curious55 (talk) 08:36, June 4, 2016 (UTC))

I don't think you are referring to me though if you are: yes I read you the comment and pointed out what I saw when I watched the show. That said I have to agree with the point of "Evil" being subjective one mans "villain" could easily be another's "hero". I'd prefer if we all try to remain civil here however. We may not ever agree but at the same time we should try to show respect towards each view point and say more than "Light is evil". The author from what I recall tried to make Light somewhat ambiguous as the Death Note wiki says the author claimed debating the actions on good or evil as "not very important" though it says the author thought of Light as "diabolical" apparently, their was supposed to be arguments either way. This info is under if you are curious. Jester of chaos (talk) 09:03, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

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As i said before becoming the God of the new world wasnt his only goal,his goal was also to rid the world of crime & corruption & make the world a better place.Agree with his methods or not it wouldnt be wrong call Light's ambition selfless,wanting to protect the weak & creating a perfect world.He wasnt toying with the world,he was driven by his sense of justice & idealism,even L himself said that Kira/Light had a strong sense of justice.'Even if I sacrifice my mind and soul," Light states (even predicts). "The world is rotting. Someone has to do it." Light even acts initially under the impression that a Shinigami is going to come take his soul as soon as he's found, and when Ryuk arrives he's surprised that he's not going to be punished. '. =====

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Not all the people feared Kira,only the criminals and those who had done something wrong feared Kira,the non criminals and the innocent people loved Kira & believed in him & Light never said that he wanted people to worship him as i said before they were praying for Kiras return even after his death.When Mikami said that he is going to kill lazy and unproductive people,Light wasnt pissed,he was shocked cuz Mikami wasnt following his orders.I n the manga when Mikami says that he is going to kill non-criminals and lazy people Light was shocked and said something like "Kira is supposed to stand as a symbol of justice who punishes criminals not & he is not suppose to kill the criminals who have reformed otherwise Kira would be showing an unforgiving heart to crime.Killing the criminals was the right thing,killing the cops was a kill or be killed situation and yes Light did thought about killing his sister but ultimately he couldnt do it,he even mentally broke down at the end of the episode.In the second episode Light was shown helping his sister with her homework even though he could have just shut her off and used his death note.Even Sayu was fond of Light very much so He cant kill her.I think in the beginning he said both about creating a new world & becoming a god & as i said before he stayed true to his intentions. .Its evident when he gives his final speech as Kira in the last episode when his identity gets revealed,he states his true intentions by describing how the world is decaying day by day due to crime & corruption & how he realized that somebody had to do something,he also states that criminals had stopped killed,wars had stopped & global crime rates had reduced by over 70%.Lol they ruined Lights character in the live action movie & the anime version of Light was the most the heroic but the manga light is morally ambiguos.I dont think Light was delusional though,his way of viewing the world was more realistic than L,L is the real hypocrite here,he criticizes Kira of not valuing human lives but he doesnt value much either he uses a criminals life just to confront Kira,he kidnapped and tortured Misa even though he didnt have any solid evidence against her,he works with criminals such as Aiber & Wendy,he was going to test the notebook on a criminal in another country just before he died.Lelouch and Light are very much similar but Lelouch butchered far more innocent people than Light did.If u are saying that Light doesnt belong here then Dexter,Lelouch & Trevor also dont deserve to be here. ===== 

light is to evil to be on this wiki and thats a fact and stop treating him like a draco in leath pants

Jester of chaos i wasnt referring to u,i was saying that to Grand master mario & yes its true that Ohba thinks of Light as a diabolical character but at the same time he thinks of L as a slightly evil character but many fans would disagree with that.And Light is a tragic character actually,he was matyr who was fighting to change the world at the cost of his mind & soul.If u remember Ryuk says it in the first episode that humans who have used the death note can neither to heaven or hell for the eternity. (Curious55 (talk) 09:22, June 4, 2016 (UTC))

also Lelouch and the others you said are different then light by a long shot at lest they cared about orthers unlike light witch is noting more then a complete monster. people treating him as a drago in leather pants is annoying

Not sure if u are trolling or not but atleast u could use some proper grammar so that people could understand what u are trying to say.And try to support ur statements with reason otherwise u are just exposing ur hysteria based of fear,anger & hatred.

Btw Draco in leather pants sounds like some imaginary concept made up by the fans