Thread:Mesektet/@comment-3581997-20160615160106/@comment-3581997-20161121001723

The issue there was Superman has bad writing on his side. No matter what problem comes up, the limits of his strength and invulnerability are always expanded. The universe around him is changed to accommodate him, as in he has punched through reality several times just because he is -that- strong.

They still follow the letter of the franchise and characters, the problem is the writers function on different levels. Just to use that example Dragon Balls' writer frequently uses it to show that even with all the strength in the world not having a sound idea of tactics, technique or insight will itself be a weakness. That you can overcome problems with a combination of strength, friends, planning and finely honed skills. Whereas in Superman comics since the 50s it has all been one giant power fantasy for the idealized he-man. Superman used to be able to be defeated by smart villains - and then they made it so his brain as a muscle can actually out-think anyone, he used to up against challenges when going up against black-mailers or criminal master minds who did not rely on brute force - and then it turned out since nothing on earth could possibly harm him it was sort of silly to assume said masterminds could do anything to stop him, he used to be up against a wall when magic was on the table - and then it turned out he could punch the air so hard the universe could break in twain and magic really has to counter for that sort of mass Pandora's box approach.

As contained comics Superman might work, but as they are working with a continuity, Deathbattle need to accommodate for -ALL- that crazy bull, the writers have been pulling out of the butts for year to say "Superman's okay folks!". You will see similar issue when comparing Link and Cloud, Kirby and Majin Buu and Darth Vader and Doctor Doom, the writers give so much power to one party without thinking about it that yeah, when you compare someone who runs on crazy cartoon logic to someone with at least a passing attention paid to real world issues, it doesn't matter how well trained or skilled one is if the other simply keeps getting a pass on reality.

When the show can get two characters whose realities more or less function on the same level it is an interesting match up, when it's grounded writing versus bad writing though... put it this way, the moment I saw anyone going up against Dr.Doom - who has like 1,000,000,000 ways out of death as the plot demands, I knew he would win, those are quite honestly the boring ones. Because you know ahead of time a Deus ex machina is always in the resource list.