Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-27729149-20151008004041/@comment-4708882-20160101133525

Michael might be considered tragic by some due to his never ending tragedy other might see him as a hypocrite if he does the same to others which would probably undermine his excuse.

Starlight I wouldn't say is tragic her excuse doesn't come close to justifying an attempt to end the universe or take over anything. "I didn't have friend so now I'm gonna do horrible things" I'd laugh and ask if that's all. Her excuse is poorly written and executed if it's meant to truly earn sympathy.

Vader sure he was said to be a slave but he wasn't shown to be abused or even treated harshely from what we see in Phantom Menace. Mother died ok that could earn some sympathy but then he sips out the whole tribe that did it, got his arm cut off in a fight ok some maybe. However once he got corrupted or learned the Dark side had great power he kills all the kids who were at the temple trying to become a Jedi, causes his lovers death which he originally tried to avoid almost killing the unborn children, after being hacked up and transformed to the Vader that is best known it's said he felt never ending physical and emotional pain but like you've said he brought it on himself. Then he has his daughter interrogated, orders or at least allows a world to be destroyed without real evidence he cared at so many dying, and let's not forget curing off his sons hand. His tragedy I agree isn't all that tragic since some of the crimes are part of his excuse and his crimes are so much worse it's not even funny.

Demona didn't watch the show much but didn't she basically cause the near extinction of gargoyles? Even if she didn't she became what she hates and plans to end humanity most the time which would be a much higher body count from what I recall. That would not only undermine her excuse but it would be worse due to sheer number difference.