Thread:Mesektet/@comment-27729149-20151002041329/@comment-3581997-20151105150106

Joffery no, Ramsay still yes.

Joffery has a respect and affection for his father at the core of his charcter, it demonstrates something in him less than 100% evil. However for Ramsay's Pet the dog moment it is almost instantly subverted, he did something seemingly nice just so he could do something additionally cruel because of it.