Thread:Motivatedzombie256/@comment-36740624-20181210162328/@comment-36740624-20181211010431

Sonic, ok dude is pretty strong and all but his description judge skill by explaining he has some "combat skill and swordplay", i mean just by having "some" combat skill he is already a skilled combatant, interesting. Also, sonic only used a sword in one game, ONE, and it's suppose he is defined by being a swordman?. Sonic does rely on power and most of all speed rather than skill.

Kevin from ben 10. He has no formal combat training but he's counted as a skilled combatant cause he acquaired street fighting skill due to his past criminal life-style, i mean i though being skilled was about fighting with finesse and technique, kevin has none of that. Yes, he is highly intelligent and can build pretty useful toys, but he is never despicted as being an analytical or strategist combatant and relies on his absorption powers to win his battles.

Jiren from dragon ball super. He is a highly analytical fighter and has excellent control above his power. But has literally no fighting style or technique and uses his power to overwhelm his enemies rather than strategy and thinking, he doesn't even has an special ki technique like pretty much everybody in dragon ball. When goku manages to match him with UI, he is doomed.

I can continue if you like.