Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-27729149-20151008004041/@comment-4708882-20151113011439

I kind of think our world is crapsackish but not fully there yet, Ellen Lied was somewhat but we didn't get all that much but the villains so I can't really say for sure it counts but I will say it's very dark regardless. Unless we see a world full of assholes who are just cruel or something like that then yeah I don't consider it. TV Tropes tend to just be strict with the Complete Monster trope the rest can vary considerably if accurate or just thrown in there. That's what I've seen at least.