Thread:Mesektet/@comment-27729149-20150707052956/@comment-3581997-20150828093152

No please try to process this. But the categories gets abused, by Fan-boys and Fan-girls all the time. What I am trying to encourage is speculative doubt of anything that involves an opinion. Some categories involve opinions and what can play to emotion more than sympathy and pity? But a bad event does not make a character evil. Two bad events don't either. I'm saying when you apply the Tragic Hero/Tragic Villain Template place yourself in their position and ask if you or most people would turn out the same way. If they would, yes the character is Tragic; If not they are not, they are just going through a bad situation. As you see and read more stories you will see more and more the lengths that tragedy can extend which is why it is important to build up a repertoire. To a baby there is nothing more tragic than losing one's teddy bare does that mean Tommy Pickles deserves to sit with the likes of Mr. Freeze?

Also keep in mind nearly all heroes have an insighting-incident. Would you consider Uncle Ben's death as being license to call Spider-Man Tragic? Spider-Man never gets over it but his life isn't over because of it. And practically every hero has their own Uncle Ben. I am simply advising that you take step back and look at the grand picture of a character's life, fate and options. Alucard is never forced to do anything, what he has is angst not tragedy. He has lead a less than spectacular life and unlife and is glib and nihilistic, he will be the first to tell you he has total control over his own path. Demona on the other-hand tried to shrug her misfortune off at first but is continually plagued by it. It isn't one or two things it is a life filled with one life shattering event after another. Tragedy applies to life ending events. When the sum total of a  hero or villain's total life experiences up to that point are made meaningless or destroyed. Having a friend or family member doesn't get anyone there unless maybe that was their ONLY friend or ONLY family and there is no way to recover.

The category is abused a lot so the rest of us need to keep to be speculative of anything that plays to immedate emotional over that of that of character analysis.