Thread:Mesektet/@comment-27729149-20151002041329/@comment-3581997-20151017163812

I can explain Joker right away, see while the "fell into chemicals and now he is crazy" thing, is the sound bite of his backstory, the greater details are he was committing crimes to help pay for his wife's hospital bills when she was pregnant. She eventually finds out, tried to talk him out of it, he get's strong armed into keep doing it be his thug co-robbers, she leaves him when she sees the man she loved specifically committing crimes she does not want on her conscience as his supposed muse. As a result of this, he is already going bonkers from all the angst before he even gets in the same room as the vat. The chemicals really just do nerve damage, which gives him a permanent smile, he was already cracking before then, the chemicals at worst gave him a new, look which let him psychologically let go of the sad man he was losing himself too, the smile is just the last sign post for him to let go of his humanity, it didn't damage his brain cells. Joker-Gas he adopts for use as his signature calling card is just more concentrated, so the entire body seizes up which is why it can kill you but can also be cured with no adverse psychotic effects. Which means all the things he has done are entirely of his own freewill.

Kefka has no character outside of his role as the villain, whatever person he was prior to the game it is never explored in any detail, no flash backs, no letters of a scared test subject it is just a moment of dialog "Oh by the way he wasn't always evil." and that's it. Whatever that previous person was we never see him. The character we do know is the finished product villain. Also again, there is no regression, no small trace of good or sanity inside. He is not being controlled or possessed his previous identity has evaporated saying he used to be someone else is like saying "Aww ya know little Adolf Hitler was a cute baby."

Griffith is a little less cut and dry because he is pretty much lying about everything he is from the start so any "virtues" he may have ever had could have just been part of that illusion he created. And the God's corruption thing is like saying, son of god, it's a metaphor, god is being so saying god corrupted him is like saying, "he was born broken". That is assuming it is even true and he isn't just being his normal overly dramatic self. Honestly there are too many holes in his background for me to give him the Complete Monster title myself though.

I am sorry to say I haven't read Monster, though but after reading the article on him on Villains' Wiki, I think the writer may have gotten Sociopath and Complete Monster confused for each-other. A Complete Monster has no virtues, at least at a certain point, a Sociopath is born without a conscience and short of magic of some kind, can't miraculously grow one.

Joker may be crazy but he knows what he is doing and actively continues. Kefka is such a shell of his former self he may as well be his own person backstory be damned, the new Kefka is for all intensive purpose our only Kefka. And Griffith's background is so unreliable you can really only judge him by what you actually see him doing.