Thread:Jester of chaos/@comment-5959298-20180904114032/@comment-4708882-20180904185823

A character can be both but must be presented as both which ultimately isn't the case. Turnbull did the logical thing of preventing a bunch of people rush to the lifeboats as it's far too dangerous as people panic, even the thing he used was logical once they started to revolt and stop listening to the authoritative powers in a crisis. And for the record to put simply all the people on the villains wiki are criminals in some form. Corruptive governments are often committing crimes against humanity just they aren't punished unless over thrown due to having absolute power.

Honestly I'm damn tempted and might delete Cooper and Hart as they don't fit the actual standards nor do they even have the excuse of being main protagonists just realitively minor supporting characters. Cooper is given enough evidence in the episode for villain but not hero as the villain part seems supported by assualting a man while only having a brief mentioning of a saving someone in the past, Hart does one small act of opening the gates then shortly they are closed. These sites are for characters that are shown doing legitimate heroic/villainous acts not merely small mentions. Cooper according to the info is shown roughing a man up for money not shown saving people. Even some vile villains like Lucifer from Supernatural are said to of been good once but the actions are far overshadowed by his acts despite briefly helping the actual heroes.

Hell with Hart I even explicitly said several times before he didn't belong yet you decided to just add him anyway. Titanic is a series without true heroes or villains except one movie and cartoons that are connected in name only, notbthe dramamtic reenactments.