User blog comment:CartoonGirl123/Leave teen titans go alone!/@comment-4544033-20150719212746/@comment-4544033-20150719220728

Ok, I read up on the arguments, and I figured I would share them here instead of peoples Talk pages. First off, I still agree that the teen titans are not villians, but I dissagree with the way you are handling this. You may want to improve your agrument methods because you are not making friends this way.

A villain, in a wiki's case, should focus less on what the fans think, and more on how the game sets them up. Wiki's like this need to balance in the center, as a hero can still do bad things. But just because Mario is a bad brother doesn't mean he is a villain, and just because Robin is a jerk who mistreats his friends doesn't mean HE is a villain. We we want to use the "antagonist" argument, then both this wiki and the villains wiki should have the same articles, as a hero is the antagonist to his villain counterpart.

A hero is somebody that, despite their flaws, strive to improve the world through their actions. This is the teen Titans. They are all messed up in their own ways, but their core meaning is that they are wanting to use their powers for good. They are teens, and have their own ways of doing things, so they will be far from perfect when doing so.

Now, the Villains wiki's articles for these hero's is not perfect. An example is that some of the reasons that list robin as a candidate for that wiki are not proven acts of being bad for the sake of bad. Robin crashing the bat mobile is a perfect example as we do not know the reasons behind this, without proof it doesn't work. Him showing remorse for his actions also makes it hard to say he is "immoral", or a "antagonist". He is a teen boy who cares for a girl and let his hormones get the best of him.

Both sides of this argument are upsetting, Cartoongirl, your point is correct that they are not villains, but you are filling the argument with less fact and more emotion. You should channel your feelings and mix them with facts. The other side name calling is not only pointless, but condescending and rude, and I am surprised a admin didn't step in and stop this from being a simple debate and let it become a petty argument.

In the end, its up to the wiki how they allow things to go, and you have only a few options. You can do what you are doing and I feel this path will result in you and perhaps others getting blocked. You can go with the flow and accept how things are, you can huff off and leave like a Diva. Or you can do what I recommend now. Take a break, and build a argument of why the wiki's policy should change based of facts and logic. Build up support and help the wiki improve in area's that is is possible and add credibility to your words and actions. If what is being done is wrong, then the best thing to do is not to ruin any chance at change by coming off as an upset fan.

Sorry for the long read BTW