you might want to keep a watch on User:John0701IsBack, as he keeps crating non-heroic characters. For example he (once again) crated a GoAnimate Character (even after the previous articles he crated being deleted) he also seems to be crating characters from Show whom, did nothing heroic. I know your not an admin, but I just wanted to let you know.
Okay, well thanks, I'm flattered you trust me enough to tell me something like this. I can try keeping an eye on him when I'm able, sure, but your best bet is probably informing an actual administrator about this nonetheless. After all, I can't actually do anything beyond notifying them if something seems very off or wrong like yourself, because obviously, confronting problematic users without any actual authority usually isn't a good idea. Plus, they can do what's called an IP request to confirm if that user is, in fact, a sockpuppet of an established troublemaker. I guess this confirms that I've been acting a little too much like an administrator lately, ha ha.
Update: Okay, I just took a look, and yeah, there should not a page for Flats the Flounder here. He doesn't do anything to warrant his own page. But like I said, it's probably best you inform someone who can actually do something about it, because I have no more authority than you.
After giving him some more thought, I can say I now agree with him being Pure Evil. The attempt to sacrifice the entire town to the Friends on the Other Side is downright horrific. I'm guessing the reason he was overlooked for so long was largely because it's only mentioned once. What do you think?
I think you hit the nail on the head; that's exactly why he qaulifies, as well as why he was also overlooked for so long and only acknowledged as such within the last year. After all, most of, if not all of his other villainous acts and attempts, are pretty standard. Even killing Ray was somewhat necessary for him since he became a direct hindrance to his plans by demonstrating the ability to harm his "friends" with his light. However, even though it was only mentioned in that one scene, he appeared to have every intent to follow through on it, and it definitely goes far beyond the norm of what you would expect from a villain in the Disney Animated Canon, even if it was out of desperation to save himself. After all, it was his own fault he was in debt to begin with.
But yeah, in short, he qualifies almost solely for that, and it's easy to miss unless you've seen it recently or go back and watch that scene to remind yourself of it.
That's an excellent point. It's been a while since I saw the film, but I do remember a scene where he conjures up an illusion showing what would happen if said plan suceeded, and it hammers home that he was fully intent on making good on said promise.
Hm... honestly, I'd say I agree with the verdict on the vast majority of characters that qualify for either one or the other. There are maybe a handful of partial exceptions though, but even then, I don't entirely disagree. For example, I'm not sure Angie from Shark Tale truly qualifies as Pure Good; she's a nice girl... er, fish, but beyond simply appreciating Oscar for who he is and trying to help him get out of debt with Sykes (and even those things are appreciable, but don't seem like PG-caliber actions), she doesn't do much in the way of actual heroics in general.
As for villains who are Pure Evil, one of the only ones I can think of that I kind of have a problem with is Light Yagami from Death Note. Then again, he's a complicated case; for one thing, he doesn't qualify in the anime adapatation, which is the only version I've seen, so naturally, that probably automatically contributes a lot to my point of view. However, from what I understand, his original manga counterpart is almost exactly the same, and while he definitely got pretty bad and corrupt by the end, I'm not very convinced that he ever really abandoned his extreme, but well-intentioned goal of ridding the world of crime by killing all criminals. I think even at his worst, he was truly driven by a sense of justice, which sadly became more and more twisted into a god complex when he was given the ability to play God. But even then, I think he delusionally, but sincerely believed he was the only one willing to do what was necessary to clean the world of evil, and anyone who was against or tried to stop him was a "useless fool" who couldn't understand or appreciate the necessity of it.
Obviously, he still did some things that are pretty unforgivable no matter how you look at them, like his manipulation of and generally bad treatment towards Misa, but it's really hard for me to see him as fully, 100% evil. But again, he 's a complicated case, so I understand why others feel differently.
It's been a while since I last saw Shark Tale, but from what I remember Angie's not that outstanding. Two Approved Pure Good characters I don't really agree with are Barney the Dinosaur (mainly because I'm not 100% convinced he has moral agency) and Melman from Madagascar, because I don't see him as any objectively more heroic than the other characters. On the Pure Evil side, I'm not convinced Mr. O'Bloat from the third American Tail film deserves his approval, partially because he seems too comedic, and partially because he's pretty much riding on the coat tails of the other two factory owners (both of whom I do agree with) and doesn't really contribute to the planning. Another one would be Ronan the Accuser, for similar reasons to Ghostfreak from Ben 10. He's a nasty character, but thanks to the MCU's insanely high heinous standard he doesn't stand out nearly as much as he would have otherwise. I understand the main reason he's approved is due to operating on a smaller playing field than the competition, but even then his crimes aren't all that unique. Do you have any thoughts on those characters?
Not much since I haven't see Guardians of the Galaxy or the third American Tail film respectively, but I see where you're coming from (and I haven't see Barney in a very long time, so I can't say much about him either). Melman though... while he doesn't stick out from the others for the most part, he was willing to offer himself up as a sacrifice in the second movie so that everyone else, not just Gloria, might be saved and provided with water again, which stands out as quite a noble and selfless act in my opinion (especially considering his usual timidness). But I can see why even that might not be enough on its own for some people.
It's been a while since I saw Madagascar, but I see your point. As for Ronan, here's his TV Tropes entry:
Ronan the Accuser is a genocidal Kree terrorist and renegade wholly devoted to the destruction of the planet of Xandar. Disgusted by his people signing a peace treaty, Ronan is introduced to the audience by confronting a captive member of Xandar's Nova Corps and crushing the helpless man's skull with his Universal Weapon. Beginning the film as a henchman of the Mad Titan Thanos, Ronan seeks to gather an item for Thanos so that he will destroy Xandar for him. Under Thanos, Ronan has committed multiple murders, including the deaths of Drax the Destroyer's wife and children. He later pursues the film's motley band of heroes to the space prison The Kyln, and orders a full massacre of every prisoner to leave no witnesses. When he realizes the power of the Infinity Stone he has been sent to retrieve, Ronan double crosses Thanos and vows to kill him after he's finished with Xandar. Assaulting the planet, he even orders his own men to become suicide bombers by flying their ships into Xandar, injuring and killing numerous civilians. He later kills over 80,000 members of the Nova Corps in one fell swoop. After mocking Drax about finally remembering murdering his family, he declares Xandar "guilty" by his psychotic philosophy and attempts to purge it of all life. Brutal, violent, relentless and unforgiving, Ronan stands as an example of rage, fanaticism, unchecked hatred and utter cruelty, and really stands out in such a relatively light-hearted movie.
My problem is he only wants to destroy one planet, and since he has an Infinity Stone, he could have theoretically done a lot worse than he does. If he'd gone on a planet destroying spree, his case would be stronger.
I do see your point. I still can't speak much on my own opinion though since I haven't seen the film. I can only guess that he's still considered very heinous in his own right, so he doesn't necessarily need to go as far as planning to go on to destroy other planets or be heinous on quite the same scale as, say, Ego or Thanos. After all, he still kills a lot of people and attempts to commit genocide/omnicide, and the only reason he didn't go on to do more than that may have been simply because he never got the chance, and at the time, destroying Xandar was his top priority.
I'm familiar with her at all, so I have no idea if she actually has the heoric deeds to qualify or not, but I can admit that, yes, unfortunately this wiki was getting a lot of truly awful proposals for a while that didn't even discuss the merits of the character so much as they were pieces of copied-and-pasted information from the character's respective pages that were passed off as "proposals" in a hastly effort to get them approved. It just about drove me crazy, not to mention they were practically ruining the wiki itself, and I can easily see their being several characters who don't truly deserve to be in the category being voted up because of that, depending on who just blindly went along with what the proposals said. If you know about her and don't think she qualifies, I'm sure doing a removal proposal wouldn't be in an issue at all. Come to think of it, maybe I'll do that for Angie when I have the time.
I have only seen part of the first season, so I don;t think I've seen any of Zoe's appearances. But if you're looking for more votes, sure, I can help, especially since I just started voting on some other proposals. For what it's worth, only a couple of users have voted on both of the ones I just posted so far.
DJ? Oh yeah, I remember him. Out of all of the original contestants, yes, I would say he's one of the best candidates for that, seeing as how he came off as a kindhearted animal-lover through and through. Of course, I have no idea if he developed negative traits later on or not, but if you follow the show much more closely and know that he didn't, then yeah, when there's a good time for it, I say go for the proposal.
Yeah. There was this one episode in the first season where he helped Duncan and Geoff pull a series of pranks on Harold out of revenge for him leaving his underwear all around the cabin such pranks consist of them making sandwiches out of his underwear, putting hot sauce in them and later leaving him naked in front of the camp's female population until he swore to stop leaving his underwear around.
That was a very early episode though and could be counted as an Out of Character Moment. Generally DJ is a guy with very strong morals such as when he was pulled into an illegal alliance by Chef Hatchet in the second season, he was very regretful fir cheating and eventually eliminated himself giving up the chance at a million dollars because "Mama didn't raise a cheater"
From what I understand, your proposal on DJ is part of the batch of proposals that's going up tomorrow, so I can vote on it sometime after it becomes eligible. At this particular moment, it's still too early.
Based off what I have seen, I'd say Bridgette, Owen, Lindsay, and maybe Cody are all possible candidates. However, you would know if they really are or not much more than me, because again, I only saw most of the first season, so I have no idea if any of them gained corrupting factors, or if they stand out as admirable and/or selfless enough. That's just going by my personal impression based off of what little I've seen, so if I'm completely wrong about any of them, please don't hold it against me.